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Supporters, detractors choose sides on Question 1

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LYNN - Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and Wyoming have no state income tax, and if Ballot Question No. 1 passes on Election Day, Massachusetts will join them.

Passage of the measure known as the State Income Tax Repeal would abolish Massachusetts’ current 5.3 percent income tax on wages, interest, dividends and capital gains.

New Hampshire and Tennessee have an income tax, but it only applies to interest and dividends.

Under the proposed law, the state’s personal income tax rate would be reduced to 2.65 percent for all categories of taxable income for the tax year beginning Jan.1, 2009, and be completely eliminated beginning Jan. 1, 2010. Proponents and detractors seem about equally divided.

In 2002, a similar campaign received 45.3 percent of the vote.
“I think it’s preposterous,” said Roger Volk, a Lynn certified public accountant in business for 40 years. “In states like Massachusetts, New York and California, you would have to cut too many programs, and that means eliminating more jobs, which is going to hurt our economy tremendously. I’m all for cutting waste, but the government would still have to raise money somehow for public safety and education. Eliminating the income tax just isn’t realistic.”

The tax repeal derives the bulk of its support from the Committee for Small Government, led by Michael Cloud and Carla Howell. Cloud is a motivation speaker who was the state’s Libertarian Party candidate for U.S. Senate in 2002. Cloud founded the Center for Small Government in 2004, an organization advocating its namesake.

Those in favor of Ballot Question No. 1 contend state politicians have not kept faith with their promises to taxpayers. The state Legislature previously blocked a ballot question that, if approved by the voters, would have reduced the state income tax to 5 percent.

By eliminating the state income tax, over 3.4 million Massachusetts taxpayers would save an average of $3,600 each annually — the largest tax cut in the commonwealth’s history. Supporters say the tax cut is actually a pay raise, adding that Massachusetts would become a more attractive place to live, work, invest, and raise families.

Demographic studies show that from 1991-2007, more than 550,000 people moved out of Massachusetts, leaving the state ranked as the 49th worst in the United States in terms of population loss. Many transplants cited high taxes, which has earned the state the nickname Taxachusetts.

Although state income tax accounts for 39 percent of all revenue on Beacon Hill, even without those receipts state legislators each year would still have $18 billion to spend, according to Cloud.

The opposition is spearheaded by Michael Widmer, president of the business-backed Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, as well as by Gov. Deval Patrick, and the governing boards of various communities, typically those heavily dependent on state aid.

Other organizations against the income tax repeal include the Coalition for Our Communities, created by the Massachusetts AFL-CIO. The coalition’s funds come mainly from unions, including $750,000 from the National Education Association, and $250,000 from American Federation of Teachers Solidarity Fund, two Washington, D.C.-based groups.

Opponents also claim the measure is irresponsible, reminding taxpayers that Massachusetts has levied a state income tax for 92 years. They assert the state would lose nearly 40 percent of its income, which would deal an $11 billion blow, causing ripple effects throughout state government. Education, health care, public safety and infrastructure improvements purportedly would be put at risk.

To get the initiative on the Nov. 4 ballot as a binding referendum question, proponents submitted 100,000 signatures to the Secretary of State, of which more than 76,000 were deemed valid.

Despite the widespread public support, the Legislature declined to pass it by the first Wednesday in May. As a result, the petitioners had to collect an additional 11,099 valid signatures by June 18.

By July 3, the task was completed, with 15,913 additional certified signatures filed. The question was included on the ballot.

“If it passes, if the people say they don’t want a state income tax, then it would still go to the Legislature to be voted on,” said Volk, who under former Gov. William F. Weld was offered the job of state tax commissioner but declined.

“Personally, I think Massachusetts should revamp its entire tax system. Right now, we have a flat tax of 5.3 percent. You earn $10,000, you pay 5.3 percent. You earn $100 million, you pay 5.3 percent. It’s unfair. There should be a progressive tax. You make more, you pay a little more. We’re the only state with a flat tax.”

Volk cited Rhode Island’s tax system as a model. “Rhode Island takes your federal income tax and uses it as a measure. It’s one simple document and your state tax is determined by what it says on the federal tax form. It couldn’t be more simple,” he said.

Since Question No. 1 was placed on the ballot through an initiative petition, its results are binding, based on provisions in the state Constitution. If voters pass it, the law reducing the state income tax to zero over a two-year period would become effective 30 days after the election.

However, in the past, the Legislature has found ways to buck the will of the people despite the outcome of the vote. For example, in 2000 Massachusetts voters passed a gradual income tax rollback, but the Legislature simply ignored the edict.


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Comments so far on this story:

John W wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:02 PM:

" There is so much waste and inefficiencies in the State and local Towns a yes Vote on 1 is warranted "

Integrity wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Sickerman - to the tune of over 100 sick days??? I think not. Once again, your facts are wrong. It is unheard of for the sick benefits the unions get. "

dj wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:24 AM:

" if it weren't for barbara anderson, we would not only be paying our state income tax, but our property taxes would be MUCH HIGHER. this is a guarantee and you don't have to debate it all that much. all home owners are definitely much better off because of her. thank you barbara. "

dj wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:21 AM:

" will property taxes go up? of course they will. but by law they can only go up by 2.5% per year unless there is an override. which of course there will be. then it just becomes a battle of who can win an override. and i wouldn't be surprised if an override passed. but let's not fool ourselves. the whole point is that until we demand our govt do less for us, we will never live with smaller budgets. our appetite for "assistance" is unrelenting. we need less help, not more. "

dj wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:16 AM:

" therefore, i believe that you, as a special interest, are advocating for something that will not benefit the general interest but will benefit a special interest, that being you. you are free, of course to believe that i am wrong. but that just shows you still don't understand the difference between "special" and "general". "

dj wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:15 AM:

" if you work for the city, you are a special interest. i work for a financial services company, i am a special interest. it just so happens that your special interest enacts laws and rules that everyone in their jurisdiction must follow. if my financial service company stinks, you can go elsewhere. as a lynn resident, i am forced to pay for you. you are not forced to pay for me. "

carrier1 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Property taxes rise regardless every year, they never go down, Prop 2 1/2 limits the amount of increase. Each town/city can only raise total revenue by 2 1/2 % The scare tactics are just that. Anyone thats been to Florida where there is no income tax will see a strong police presence, clean beaches with many life guards & free parking too. This state wastes more $$ than any....vote YES on 1 "

sickerman wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:23 PM:

" uh private industry most certainly buys back sick and vacation time... ever heard of a severance package? "

Lefty wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:15 PM:

" I'm voting NO. Is there waste in state government? Is the Pope Catholic? You think if we eliminate the state income tax there won't be any waste? The waste we have now is dwarfed by the services rendered by the state. That money will have to be made up and it will be made up with increased property taxes and user fees, not to mention increased tolls on our already over-tolled roads. And who came up with "45 percent" for how much waste there is? It's idiotic. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Vote NO. "

onaclearday wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:18 PM:

" willitincreasemytaxes?: Without a doubt, property taxes will increase. If you work for the city, state, most health and human service agencies, environmental groups, arts or recreation organizations, you may lose your job. If you rely on publicly funded childcare, the cost will go up or programs will be eliminated. It won't just mean more money in your pocket, that's for sure. "

zok wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Integrity, I don't feel the city owes me a living. I feel that whomever hired me (in ANY industry) owes me a paycheck at the end of the week if I have done my job.
I work in "Private Industry". Some benefits are even more lucrative than employees in any city.
And talk about acting childishly! Have you ever gone back & read any of your comments? Hilarious! Redundant, but hilarious! "

willitincreasemytaxes? wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:00 AM:

" In other words, I am feeling that although in the short run EVERYONE will benefit from a yes vote, in the LONG run homeowners will have to make up the slack. I am all for seeing my paycheck increase. But will I have to dish out more money in the long run? "

willitincreasemytaxes? wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:00 AM:

" I have been reading this blog for a week now. I would like to be more informed. Originally, I was all for voting yes on this question. Now the ads have started and I am worried that my property taxes will increase. Anyone please reply as I am still on the fence as to how I will be voting... "

mysaug wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:20 PM:

" NH has no income tax, but property taxes are about double to pay for schools. Is that what we want? The only people that will make out are those in rich towns like Dover, Weston etc where they will be saving 20-50 thou a yr in taxes and will do overrides to support their town services. It is unfortunate that the nonsense of the Peabody police contract causes the frustration of many people including myself. It feeds this issue. "

bosrdsx wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:50 PM:

" I work for the State of Massachusetts and I agree there is SOOO much waste of tax payers money . During my 20 years of working for the State of Mass I have seen soo much waste of money . That is why I am voting YES on Question 1 "

bglassmkr wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:47 PM:

" I admit I am a little ignorant, so please explain.. If you don't pay state (income) tax , and you don't pay higher sales tax, or raise property tax, how do you pay for municiple services ? I think if you raise property tax, it would affect those who could afford it more.I have been a Kentuckr redneck for many years, so don't know how you pay in the big city. "

erthbndangel123 wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:31 PM:

" my first point your assumuntion I was"special interest" 2nd the VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS in NH do the best they can with the resources, unfortunately quick response time is of the essence and not funded for causing total losses, the problem in the city is the probabilty of losing several homes since they are so close together. "

Integrity wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Zok - you really need to read posts before you react so childishly. Buyback of unused sick time is absolutely unheard of in private industry. Also, a business paying health care bills when it has insurance is alos unheard of in private industry. Apparently you think the City owes you a living. "

lynn12 wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:26 AM:

" vote YES on one. Dont be fooled by the chicken littles. Massachusetts government WASTES 45% of its income. Force them to spend more wisely. Enough already. NO MORE TAXES "

dj wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:54 PM:

" thanks for the correction.

I don't know what your #1 point is.

I guess your last point proves firefighters don't do anything in NH, where there is no income tax, and therefore, if we eliminate the income tax, firefighters won't do anything around here.

Thanks again.

Vote yes on #1 "

zok wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:58 PM:

" OMG! WHAT?!! City employees get SICK DAYS? and God forbid... VACATIONS?!! How DARE they. They should be working 7 days a week with NO breaks.
NO ONE in private industry allows their employees to be sick, or worse, take a vacation. They would be fired for that.
PA-LEEEEASE! "

Integrity wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Actually I would rather the tax becuase the fee is not deductable on your tax form. Although it is time to send a message once again to these people. But these people includes everyone, the management that spends our money plus the overly generous benefits that we pay for that noone in private industry would allow - buyback of sicktime unused, vacation time - paying of helath care when insurance covers it - ALL municipalities on the GIC plan..... "

john w wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Vote yes on one. Send message we are done with the waste. "

mysaug wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:28 PM:

" I am fiscal conservative, but Q 1 goes too far. If passes local aid will be gone, education both secondary and local decimated, roads, state parks, court system will be hit hard. The proponents never spell out exactly where the cuts should be, not to believable. "

Lip wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:18 PM:

" jrivas is partially right, the Dimocrats will find new ways to bleed the taxpayer dry! Still a yes on 1 might send the crooks on Beacon hill a message! "

jrivas wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:03 PM:

" a fee is a tax dont be fooled by old people like barbara a. she didnt get it then and she dont get it now "

jrivas wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:59 PM:

" anderson and the republicans tax freez of the past has costed us more in property taxes and fees guess what call it a tax or a fee its still costing ya "

John W wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Great update Barbara .Yes I am done with feed this machine. There is so much waste and inefficiencies in the State and local Towns a yes Vote on 1 is warranted "

erthbndangel123 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:50 PM:

" TO correct dj, first not employed,2nd I agree essential workers should be last cut, unfortunatly the fool running Lynn will cut these first. As far as my comment, first hand experience, family member lost everything with a fire station 1/2 mile away. reality dj deal. "

Barbara Anderson wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:09 PM:

" A balanced piece,but add Citizens for Limited Taxation for Yes on 1. Some orrections:If Question 1 passes, it won't not go to the Legislature but becomes law in 30 days. A graduated income tax was defeated by voters 5 times because it would allow the legislature to pick us off one tax rate at a time. In 2000 voters rolled back the 5.8% rate to 5%. Unfortunately the Legislature froze this at 5.3%. This is one of many reasons for voting Yes on 1. "

john w wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:21 PM:

" We tried to get this reduced to 5 and we did but the Clowns on the hill changed it. Vote Yes on 1 I am tired of throwing my money into a poorly run goverment. Someone said so you will have to pay for all services. So be it at least I will know where my money is going. I always say if the folks who landed here a plymouth rock came back and saw what has happended to the Goverment they help form they would all ask to go back! "

Lip wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:21 AM:

" Not that it matters Even if question one passes the tyrants on Beacon Hill will just ignore it just like they ignored the roll back to 5%. Just remember they know best! "

Integrity wrote on Oct 14, 2008 6:41 PM:

" I agree MammaGray - but then again, our union workers will find that they won't get any raises or lucrative benefits - it finally put their greedy little hands in check because this time there will be no choice. "

dale wolf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:35 PM:

" samoy2e, I am voting no on #1. No more wasteful spending. "

lookwhostalking wrote on Oct 14, 2008 4:48 PM:

" keep state tax or we will go down hill. There will be no more infrastructures being fixed like our bridges and roadways. They will create toll charges etc. This is a small amount of money to cover our roadways and other things that we NEED... Think beyond this years oil bills will ya. "

mclynner wrote on Oct 14, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Thank you SaugusLiberty and Mamagray for clarifying Q1. I could see that there was alot of confusion by some of the blogs. I have not decided yet, but at least I now understand the yes and no ramifications. "

dj wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:41 PM:

" erthbndangel123's post proves at least two things. first they are a special interest (employed by the city) who could be harmed by a hit to city budgets. second, that those people use fear as a tactic to manipulate the rest of us. third, that the oppressors (our gov't) will use public safety as a way of punishing us. things like police and fire should be the last to get cut, but they won't be because the hacks want to hurt us if we do not bend to their will. eliminate the state income tax! "

erthbndangel123 wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:06 PM:

" IF you have a fire in NH, kiss everything GOODBYE. "

saugusliberty wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:01 AM:

" So there is no confusion.
A YES vote will eliminate the income tax.
A NO vote retains the income tax.
Propery tax can only increase within the provisions of Prop 2 1/2.
Opinion
You mean to tell me the only thing government is willing to cut is police, fire and teachers? Shouldn't police, fire and teachers be the last things thought of cutting? "

MamaGray wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Vote YES to End the State Income Tax.
If you vote NO, you are voting to KEEP the income tax.

A couple posters here saying they will vote no to get RID ofTAX. I think they RCONFUSED by HOW this isWORDED.

Cut the waste from the state government spending, which is out of control! State sign painters are pulling in $100,000 a year. Toll takers making $60,000 a YR. Useless committees being paid for sitting home? ENDtheWASTE to save the important services.

VOTE YES to Question 1. "

Taxed Man wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:32 AM:

" It never fails...whenever the people demand a reduction in taxes, their opponents always use scare tactics, like cutting police, fire, and essential services, to sway the voters. There is so much waste in government, but the politicians don't want to cut funding for those special jobs given to friends and family, or other special interests. "

dj wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:13 AM:

" Personally, I think it is preposterous that special interest groups have so dominated our politics that we now face such huge annual budgets. These programs do not benefit the general interest, yet the general population bears the cost. We do not need progressivity, we need responsibility. We should cut the cord of dependence and watch people flourish as they provide for themselves. "

dj wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Interesting that an accountant (who makes a living preparing income taxes) would want to keep the income tax. Does surprise anyone? "

tinalb wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Be prepared to pay fees for every little thing you use--sports, trash, huge class sizes! Oh yeah and if you are in need of a police officer or your house is on fire you'll be lucky if your house doesn't burn down. People need to think! The money will need to come from somewhere! "

bystander wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Hey Mama, I understand your concern, but that family you say you are doing the best for, I hope they don't need to learn or be protected, because education, police and fire get a lot of funding from those taxes. And don't be surprised if Q.1 passes that your property tax doesn't go up........the $$$ has to come from somewhere. Give it some more thought! "

Lip wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:27 PM:

" No on one. Why should I keep paying income taxes for them to squander? Not another dime for them to waste. Only a fool would vote to tax themselves! Its more than time for another tea party!! "

bomber wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:42 PM:

" MAmagray dont apoogize for exercising your right to vote.
I'm voting to get rid of taxes too..
We have a gestapo government here and it needs to be smaller and thats just what less money will do,, shrink them down to size.. "

bdgrgirl wrote on Oct 13, 2008 1:54 PM:

" I think there can only be so much streamlining, and too many budgets are operating below capacity. I, for one, would like to continue having cops, firefighters, teachers, and every other city employee, not to mention the rest of the infrastructure that goes along with paying taxes. When did it become ok to think you shouldn't have to pay taxes? How do you think your streets get paved? Please, people, think about this before making your decision. "

cam1 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:33 PM:

" I wonder what the colonists said when stories like this appeared in the news in 1776? I wonder where we would be today if they did not take the stand they did and oppose opressive taxation. Vote yes on question 1 and end the free ride by public employees All those public employees that have yard signs and whose unions are spending millions to defeat this initiative, pay not one cent of this tax on thier pensions once they retire. What is the AFL CIO doing for the rest of us? "

Taxed Man wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:21 PM:

" New Hampshire has great roads, good schools, and a low crime rate, and without a state income tax or sales tax. Massachusetts could do the same if they got rid of the political hacks, massive bureaucracy, and corruption. "

samoy2e wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:49 AM:

" i am voting yes on question 1 also.. keep the state tax as it ok "

MamaGray wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:18 AM:

" My mortgage just went up AGAIN. I need to make ends meet. They can keep shoving all their SCARE TACTICS down my throat but I have to do whats best for ME and MY FAMILY now.

If they saw this coming, they should have streamlined programs that do not work and prepared. Its not our fault that Beacon Hill and City Hall is not doing their job.

I am sorry folks but I am voting YES on QUESTION ONE!!! "


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